Hi Kent,
It is so amusing to watch famous idiots parade through weird religions like the WTS, Scientology and Mormonism. Then the media makes a big deal out of it, enough to make one upchuck last night's snack. Prince's JW ism will last only until he becomes bored with it and the sweet little honeys chase his tail on his next tour.
What in the world is this, Yakki da?
Rex
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Prince promises a family-friendly week of music
by Kent in"the first person to wish me a happy birthday gets dropped in the alligator moat," said prince as he walked into a conference room thursday at paisley park.. the story can be found at:.
http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?nocache=1&dato=20010612&kategori=news2&lopenr=10612002&ref=ar.
yakki da.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Oh Come On Tina,
You slander the memory of Christians, millions of them that have given their very lives for others. You slander soldiers in wars against Facism and Communism, you slander pastors, priest, nuns, laypeople, nurses and the list goes on. You ignore the Salvation Army, the "YM/WCA", the thousands of church supported hospitals, soup kitchens, relief missions, food distribution in famine lands, disaster relief and the old widow who puts change in the plate for the use of others.
I grieve for you, Tina. You have decided your own fate without even considering the options available. I noticed that you did not even attempt to address the legitimate definition of Christianity. Perhaps you are still steeped in your own dogma: If JWs are wrong then NO ONE is right. I liked the way old "1" said it, "If my momma is a hoe then ALL mommas are hoes!"
You have convinced yourself that you have no need for God. Yet worship is a fact of human nature. It is a part of us, the need to find God. You have simply switched God for some idolatry like materialism or rationalism.
You decry the existence of God yet you ignore the monsterous choices of depraved humanity...and blame them on God also. What arrogance!
For the record: Christianity is NOT any human led organization. It is not the medevial catholic church, it is not any church. Churches can and do exist for fellowship and common endeavors. The overall track record for Christan churches is exemplary regarding hospitals, charity, poverty and hunger relief and only the intentionally stupid deny this while highlighting the narrowmindedness and occasional wickedness of those who claim authority.
It's the same as if you villified every good JW for the actions of the Society. Shame on you. do you treat your Christian acquaintances the same as you do here?
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Pioneer Meeting
by Liberated ini apologize in advance if this has already been discussed here.. at my daughter's pioneer meeting they were told that leaving literature in phone booths and laundromats is "littering".. since when?
anybody else heard this?.
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Hey Fark,
You forgot their best use: lining bird cages.
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Issue Facing Apostates
by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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Hi Tina,
I did not say it was not possible for a secular humanist to be moral in character. Here is what I said:
I repeat, there is absolutely no reason to recognize any moral authority or guideline in secular humanism. No moral absolute is possible for there is nothing at it's core except degenerate human reasoning.
It is all relative to how each one perceives it. No one is accountable for any action and you can already see that in society.We have a world where the unborn innocents are slaughtered in the name of women's rights. We have people protesting vile murdererous, sociopaths who have killed repeatedly when they are given capital punishment. We have people derided for virtues like virginity while the disease spreading knuckleheads are cheered on. Solid, time tested institutions like the family are assailed from every (liberal) corner.
Lastly, we have the Lamb of God blasphemed and cursed by the very people he loved enough to die for.
You are simply repeating what you have herd from your heros here about the alleged crimes of Christianity. The effects of all religions overall has been to deal with our superstitions and fears. You point to the inquisitions of Catholic history and claim this is Christianity. That's a lie and patently absurd.
The body of Christ is the sum total of all believers who practice the guidelines of Christ. Christianity is NOT any human led organization, though God does often act through them, just as he acts through nations in a general way to bring good to evil situations.How many times do you need to hear this before it sinks in?
When are you going to leave behind your beloved JW slander of all who think differently than you?Romans 10:
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.I can very much identify with the above statements.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.I pray that you do not fall into this category, my sister.
I also openly ask for your forgiveness if I have in any way offended you.
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by Mishnah inmost of the stuff posted here is negative, hateful, and blasphemous against god.
even if many of you are right in saying that the jws are wrong on many and important issues, that does not make you right.
so unless you are convinced that there is no biblical god you are facing serious trouble when you die or if the lord comes during your lifetime.
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:In fact, it's not exactly as simple as you indicate. If you believe in the Christian God, you can be in big trouble if the Muslems are right
Anyone with even a minimal amount of knowledge of the life of Christ and the New Testament teachings can see that Mohammed and his Koran are pale imitations of the Biblical scriptures. You can put the Koran in the same category as the Book of Mormon.
:or perhaps old Ba'al was the right god anyway and comes to kill you for worshipping his old enemy. Even if the Christian God existed, there are thousands of ideas about how he should be worshipped, all contradictory. If the Catholics are right, you may be toasted because you are a Baptist and vice versa.
Actually, their is a common thread running throughout Christianity that can be grasped easily regarding salvation. Most to these alleged contradictions are only difference one would expect due to human viewpoints. Now, radical fundamentalists do teach this and that is to their detriment. Catholics and Protestants alike are recognizing their mutual similarities and the fact taht true worship of Almighty God crosses denominational lines. Denominations are NOT the body of Christ.
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The problem you apostates face either way is this: You are taking one heck of a risk and the consequences for failure could not be greater.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------:s I pointed out above, the risk is for all intents and purposes the same for all people, because for every god or belief system you follow, there are millions you reject.
Jesus Christ proved that he was God in the flesh. The other belief systems cannot even compare to the historical evidence in favor of Christianity. It is a matter of weighing the various factors and finding the most probable contender and Christinaity wins hands down.
:o why don't I worry? Because I take into consideration what you don't, namely the actual risks involved. The chance of any such vengeful old deity existing is as closely approximated to zero as you can possibly imagine.
Is that like the odds of man appearing through evolutionary chance?
:o the only one taking any chances is you, if you waste your life chasing a pipedream. It is, after all, a definite fact that there is a life before death, unless you're a fundie or a JW, that is.
You are so wrong. First of all, you deny that Pascal's Wager is a factor here. Second, you ignore the obvious benefits gained from living a life of selfless devotion to the service of others. Only Christianity displays this consistently. Secular humanism fails miserably in practice for it has a fatal flaw:
Without a moral guideline governed by an absolute AlmightyGod there is no basis for ANY moral claims, all such claims are subject to the whim of the individual. There is no 'common good'.
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Loyal Elders! Here's Your Future!
by metatron ini will now predict the personal futures of countless.
loyal elders who secretly read this board.. in five to ten years, you will say to yourself:.
"what was i thinking?".
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This is part of the mindset that you need to leave behind:
:In five to ten years, the average Witness will be
no different than any other member of any religion.You're confusing 'religion' or maybe 'Christianity' with 'Watchtowerism' and the idea that 'if JWs are wrong then no religion is right' is hogwash.
Real Christianity and the body of Christ exist in many denominations and independent churches.
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The "Tree" of WHAT?
by Farkel inthe account of adam and eve as a literal event is so full of logical contradictions that it is mind-boggling.
it only takes a minimum of scrutiny to discover that fact, too.. there is something god did not want adam and eve to know.
he didnt want them to know the difference between good and evil.
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I wasn't talking to you, Alan.
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The "Tree" of WHAT?
by Farkel inthe account of adam and eve as a literal event is so full of logical contradictions that it is mind-boggling.
it only takes a minimum of scrutiny to discover that fact, too.. there is something god did not want adam and eve to know.
he didnt want them to know the difference between good and evil.
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I take it you haven't read, "Evidence That Demands a Verdict", have you? The resurrection and life of Christ, when God walked the earth, confirms the events in the bible as both historical and reliable. That is true regardless of what your so called 'scientific', 'higher critic' lack of intelligensia claims.
You haven't the foggiest who I am, do you, you old weasel?
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Wouldn't have so many converts huh.
by esther inok, so i got my idea from bugeye's wife's thread.
if the wtbts decided to change its doctrine so that the age for baptism was 30 years, the same age as john and jesus, would everyone who was baptised under that age have their baptism invalidated?
if so, what would happen to any disfellowshipped ones whose baptism was invalid?
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Hi Esther,
They are in such a mess, aren't they? I don't think that anything is going to reverse the downhill trend. I pray for the day that the publishing empire folds or it's plants become used by protestant Christianity.
If you've ever really read the book of Romans, Paul is quite clear that no 'works' that we do gain us salvation. He shows us clearly in the first four chapters that 'even' Abraham and Sarah were saved by faith, no one has ever been saved by the law covenant.
Therefore, water baptism is just a symbolic act and NOT a requirement for salvation....it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit when we surrender our lives to Christ.
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The "Tree" of WHAT?
by Farkel inthe account of adam and eve as a literal event is so full of logical contradictions that it is mind-boggling.
it only takes a minimum of scrutiny to discover that fact, too.. there is something god did not want adam and eve to know.
he didnt want them to know the difference between good and evil.
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Hi Farkel,
You old agnostic weasel, you! You 'jese don' get it, eh muchacho?
Why do you constantly need to overanalyze events that are told in a simple manner that allows practically anyone to understand the gist of what happened?
Do you really think that the Good Book was written with the view of convincing 19th century-present eggheads of it's veracity? Faith, is what has always led mankind to heaven, not logic, rationalism, wisdom or intelligence.
Most of mankind has been in a position of NOT having our advantages for study and education. Our saving grace has been belief that our Lord died for our sins, the cross stands in the gap between mankind and the Holiest of Holies.
With Christ we can indeed enter that place that was once reserved for the high priest in Israel, once a year. Now we can enter it at any time and relate directly to God the Father through God the Son.The whole point of the story is that mankind decided he could go it alone without God. Mankind has tried every form of religion and government and you can see the results.
Can you explain the Bible? NO.
Can you gain salvation? YES.Try out Romans 3.23; 6.23; John 3.3;, John 3.16-17; Eph. 2.8-9, Romans 10.9-11; Rev. 3.20
Now, if you get that far and want to know more just visit any Evangelical church and get yourself saved. Then you will be able to leave the past behind.
Rex